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Gill Halendt · Aug 26, 2010, 09:42 AM // 09:42

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

is not planned but it may happen

Yup. It may happen.

People here don't seem aware of this at all. Everyone here is just assuming it's going to happen, and that it's going to happen in the near future nonetheless. Right now, they're just open to this possibility. Which means, if anything, that we won't get such a feature before like 6-8 months, if at all.

But then again, from a delusional community that takes every vague intention as a promise and then rages on self-made castles in the sky, that was to be expected.

Scary · Aug 26, 2010, 10:04 AM // 10:04

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Yup. It may happen.

People here don't seem aware of this at all. Everyone here is just assuming it's going to happen, and that it's going to happen in the near future nonetheless. Right now, they're just open to this possibility. Which means, if anything, that we won't get such a feature before like 6-8 months, if at all.

But then again, from a delusional community that takes every vague intention as a promise and then rages on self-made castles in the sky, that was to be expected.

You know, if people where not doing so.. Than Anet would never know the
things we would like to see.
Once there was a poll opent for the 7 hero's and it has bin closed with the
words.. It won't happen so closed and it may not be opent in a other thread.

Woh how must players feel that they are shut in such manner.
So when the most players ones again get a oppertunity to speak their
wishes about the 7 hero's in PvE. They should. So Anet knows that I'll
think by now all PvE players would not mind this oppertunity as Ally and Guild
pugs wil keep existing even with 7 hero's

It are not just castles in the sky.. It are wishes comming from the biggest
part of the PvE players

Gill Halendt · Aug 26, 2010, 10:44 AM // 10:44

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Originally Posted by Scary

You know, if people where not doing so.. Than Anet would never know the things we would like to see.

Jumping at Anet's throat whenever they fail to deliver something the community self-assumed as a "promise" helps Anet knowing what we would like to see? Mmmh no.

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Originally Posted by Scary

So when the most players ones again get a oppertunity to speak their wishes about the 7 hero's in PvE. They should. So Anet knows that I'll think by now all PvE players would not mind this oppertunity as Ally and Guild pugs wil keep existing even with 7 hero's

So, do it, no one is stopping you.

People here are not just doing that tough. Half this thread gives the implementation of such a feature as some sort of an imminent certainty, when it's not even in the plans right now. The lead designer "open" to such an implementation doesn't even remotely imply that such a feature will ever make it into the game. There's so much that could go wrong in the process that I wouldn't hold my breath.

Yet I'm pretty sure this thread will be resurrected in a couple of months as supposed "proof" that Anet promises and then doesn't deliver.

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Originally Posted by Scary

It are not just castles in the sky.

Common attitude on these forums: assuming, setting things up and then raging when deluded as reality kicks in. That's the very definition of "castles in the sky".

Verene · Aug 26, 2010, 01:05 PM // 13:05

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Yup. It may happen.

People here don't seem aware of this at all. Everyone here is just assuming it's going to happen, and that it's going to happen in the near future nonetheless. Right now, they're just open to this possibility. Which means, if anything, that we won't get such a feature before like 6-8 months, if at all.

But then again, from a delusional community that takes every vague intention as a promise and then rages on self-made castles in the sky, that was to be expected.

No, people know that. Or did you miss the pages of foot-stomping and temper tantrums because since someone working on the game said that they were open to the idea and this obviously means that it's going to happen, and hence Regina is a horrible person for clarifying that it's just an idea?

That quote wasn't originally on the first page, Regina posted it a couple pages in and it was edited in.

Did you actually read the entire thread?

Gill Halendt · Aug 26, 2010, 03:05 PM // 15:05

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Originally Posted by Verene

No, people know that.

Really?

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Originally Posted by Scary

7 Hero's YEeeessss.. PuG's will still exists within the Ally's so
Plsss asap with the 7 hero's.

more consumables.. Always like new things

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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

7 hero teams would be like a dream come true but the time it'll take to implement might be too long.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

anyway, i hope anet wont think too long about it to make it possible for us to have more fun
its good to know that john is open for it, it may come sooner, if they do it, which i... and most of us all hope for

All those are AFTER Regina's comment. Someone even got further. PvE-only skills for the just remotely hinted, but pretty much given for sure by Guruers, 7 heroes party:

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Originally Posted by Scary

I say yes to more hero's...but no Don't let hero's use PvE skills.
With out the PvE skill you have enough possibilities to make great teams.
PvE skills to them all would be boring very soon.

Expectation:

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Originally Posted by Charlie Dayman

I'd love to see a full team of heroes introduced sometime soon.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

come on anet, we (at least i) have ideas prepared for that change
the 3 necro's may be used mostly, but at least the others get a chance to join my party

man, so much to try, why didnt they do it earlier?
well, now they can do without unbalancing the game, as farmers mostly go solo, and the ones not wanting to use heroes only, will have the choice of using hench and other players

i wont use heroes all time, i will join others too, but i can do more when being alone this way

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Originally Posted by Verene

hence Regina is a horrible person for clarifying that it's just an idea?

Read again: she clarified that John is open to it. Again, that they're even considering or ready to turn this into an "idea" - let alone implement it - is just an assumption.

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Originally Posted by Verene

That quote wasn't originally on the first page, Regina posted it a couple pages in and it was edited in.

Well, thank you, I can read dates. Too bad that comment was pretty much taken into account as long as it was into the current page, then the thread went rampage again about fanta-strategies with 7 heroes teams, so much that OP had to leave this comment:

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

I'm starting to think that I should have renamed this thread "Discussion on 7 Heroes" or something.

So, yes, I did my homework, I've read the whole thread. Among some concrete and likely imminent ideas, people have been discussing about 7 heroes for like 10 pages. Go figure.

Now, dare I ask, do you know what "being open to" actually means? It means that they could well take 7 heroes into consideration sometimes in the future - which doesn't imply they'll actually do it after taking it into consideration anyway, for multiple reasons, be it feasability, balance issues, costs, whatever - instead of firmly rejecting it. Nothing more. It's better than nothing, but I wouldn't hold my breath on this, expecially since their intention right now seems to be to do "something new with heroes" instead. Regina commenting here about this is no coincidence to me.

All I see about 7 heroes here are vague hints, which don't even qualify as an "idea" to me, yet. Last time we had something like that was Linsey "being open to" the ingame auction house, and you know how it went...

vandevere · Aug 26, 2010, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Really?

All those are AFTER Regina's comment. Someone even got further. PvE-only skills for the just remotely hinted, but pretty much given for sure by Guruers, 7 heroes party:

Expectation:

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Read again: she clarified that John is open to it. Again, that they're even considering or ready to turn this into an "idea" - let alone implement it - is just an assumption.

Well, thank you, I can read dates. Too bad that comment was pretty much taken into account as long as it was into the current page, then the thread went rampage again about fanta-strategies with 7 heroes teams, so much that OP had to leave this comment:

So, yes, I did my homework, I've read the whole thread. Among some concrete and likely imminent ideas, people have been discussing about 7 heroes for like 10 pages. Go figure.

Now, dare I ask, do you know what "being open to" actually means? It means that they could well take 7 heroes into consideration sometimes in the future - which doesn't imply they'll actually do it after taking it into consideration anyway, for multiple reasons, be it feasability, balance issues, costs, whatever - instead of firmly rejecting it. Nothing more. It's better than nothing, but I wouldn't hold my breath on this, expecially since their intention right now seems to be to do "something new with heroes" instead. Regina commenting here about this is no coincidence to me.

All I see about 7 heroes here are vague hints, which don't even qualify as an "idea" to me, yet. Last time we had something like that was Linsey "being open to" the ingame auction house, and you know how it went...

We all know that. But, one of the devs saying they're open to the concept of a Seven Hero limit is sort of like waving a big red flag in a bull's face. People can say ain't gonna happen, all they want. But, considering the sheer number of players who want Seven Heroes; expecting them to shut up about it...Ain't gonna happen...

I want Seven Heroes too; although I don't need them to have PVE Skills. Just don't expect us to shut up about this. Seven Heroes has been a major want for a very long time now; and I don't see that ending just because Regina said it wasn't a priority-no offense to Regina...

NerfHerder · Aug 26, 2010, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Really?
snip...

None of those quotes sounded like they where expecting 7 heros to happen. It just shows how the community feels about this idea, and how nice the possibility would be. If you dont have any concrete evidence it will or will not happen, or you dont want to share your thoughts on the idea, your just trolling.

Gill Halendt · Aug 26, 2010, 05:56 PM // 17:56

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Originally Posted by vandevere

We all know that. But, one of the devs saying they're open to the concept of a Seven Hero limit is sort of like waving a big red flag in a bull's face. People can say ain't gonna happen, all they want. But, considering the sheer number of players who want Seven Heroes; expecting them to shut up about it...Ain't gonna happen...

I want Seven Heroes too; although I don't need them to have PVE Skills. Just don't expect us to shut up about this. Seven Heroes has been a major want for a very long time now; and I don't see that ending just because Regina said it wasn't a priority-no offense to Regina...

Just listen to the Podcast then. John is pretty clear: alltough he thinks such a change wouldn't be hurting anyone - ie, he's open to it -> not against it per se - he also mentions another project involving heroes is due to happen instead of this. So there's really no "idea" or "project" involving 7 heroes right now, and there won't be for quite some more time.

Is that clear enough now?

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Originally Posted by NerfHerder

None of those quotes sounded like they where expecting 7 heros to happen. It just shows how the community feels about
this idea, and how nice the possibility would be.

Ah I see, so that's why anyone is using simple future instead of conditional in their comments...

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"i wont use heroes all time..."

"the time it'll take to implement might be too long..."

"7 Hero's YEeeessss.. PuG's will still exists within the Ally's so
Plsss asap with the 7 hero's."

Oh, sorry for arguing syntax, my bad, what do I know. To me, those looked like daydreaming comments by people who didn't even care to listen to what John had to say. Which is something utterly different from what it's evinced by this thread...

About the evidence: you too listen to the Podcast, or check above. I think you all are misunderstanding this whole "open to" thing.

Karate Jesus · Aug 26, 2010, 06:11 PM // 18:11

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Just listen to the Podcast then. John is pretty clear: alltough he thinks such a change wouldn't be hurting anyone - ie, he's open to it -> not against it per se - he also mentions another project involving heroes is due to happen instead of this. So there's really no "idea" or "project" involving 7 heroes right now, and there won't be for quite some more time.

Is that clear enough now?

Just too much speculation either way. He might do it, he might not. He may have a plan for heroes, he may not.

We have no idea, but at least he's looking at it.

Gill Halendt · Aug 26, 2010, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

We have no idea, but at least he's looking at it.

Not really. When questioned about 7 heroes, Stumme says:

"It's not hurting anybody... I don't wanna say just what it is yet, but we've been looking into doing something else with heroes that I think it's going to be really exciting if we can pull it off"

This is what they're looking at right now. Something else, even if 7 heroes wouldn't hurt anybody. Clear enough?

Admitting that 7 heroes "wouldn't hurt anybody" is rather obvious and it's as far as it goes about it, then there's really nothing more suggesting that they're even considering to implement such a feature. On the contrary they say they have something else in the plans.

Whatever...

- This thread was about the Podcast and - by the given title - about the future GW:B additions. Since there's little to nothing suggesting 7 heroes are in the plans, and 7 heroes are not yet "upcoming GW:B work" anyway, 3/4 of this thread is off-topic right now.

- This thread turned into yet-another-thread about 7 heroes. If anything, it's redundant and should be merged with previous discussions (plenty) about this subject.

Karate Jesus · Aug 26, 2010, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

"It's not hurting anybody... I don't wanna say just what it is yet, but we've been looking into doing something else with heroes that I think it's going to be really exciting if we can pull it off"

This is what they're looking at right now. Something else, even if 7 heroes wouldn't hurt anybody. Clear enough?

"Doing something else" doesn't imply that he won't add 7 heroes as well. And the fact that he's open to it and that all of these are ideas and not in the planning stage means he could change his mind on anything.

Again, it could happen, it could not. But declaring absolutes as if you can read John's mind is just ignorant.

Gill Halendt · Aug 26, 2010, 08:27 PM // 20:27

It's ironic how we got stuck into something that takes less than a minute out of a 22 mins interview. How this snippet covers pretty much the entirety of this thread about some upcoming (and more concrete) new stuff in the plans. That's mostly because YOU assumed that that non-negative (which doesn't necessarily imply positive, mind you) opinion about 7 heroes meant someone is open to such an implementation. Sorry, I couldn't find anything like that in the interview, that's just your own conclusion, and that's why people shouldn't get over-excited about something that's this far from certain. Knowing what Stumme thinks about this idea changes little in my opinion. He feeling it's "not hurting anyone" doesn't make it any closer to implementation, but that's all we can get from the interview, nothing more.

I'm excessively negative, I can admit that. But there's as much assumption on the positive side here thanks to some one-sided interpretation you've offered, so much that even Regina felt the need to intervene and cool it off. Ask yourself why.

Karate Jesus · Aug 26, 2010, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

I'm excessively negative, I can admit that. But there's as much assumption on the positive side here thanks to some one-sided interpretation you've offered, so much that even Regina felt the need to intervene and cool it off. Ask yourself why.

The first post isn't me. It's a quote from someone else on GW2Guru summarizing John's points.

I think you need to cool off the personal implications....considering that I haven't misled anyone. I've repeatedly stated that all of those points are ideas and that they may or may not happen.

I'm not much for absolutes.

Gill Halendt · Aug 26, 2010, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

I think you need to cool off the personal implications....considering that I haven't misled anyone. I've repeatedly stated that all of those points are ideas and that they may or may not happen.

Yet this whole topic ended up being about 7 heroes, something that's just mentioned incidentally in a sentence out of a 22 minutes interview. It's not even an idea, it being an idea it's the biggest assumption of all.

Karate Jesus · Aug 26, 2010, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Yet this whole topic ended up being about 7 heroes, something that's just mentioned incidentally in a sentence out of a 22 minutes interview. It's not even an idea, it being an idea it's the biggest assumption of all.

Which is somehow my fault? Remind me to steer the consciousnesses of people more towards your wishes in the future....sheesh.

EDIT: And maybe that just shows how big of a deal 7 heroes is to people. It's barely mentioned and yet tons of people seem to really respond to the idea, even on the GW2 thread.

Gill Halendt · Aug 26, 2010, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

And maybe that just shows how big of a deal 7 heroes is to people. It's barely mentioned and yet tons of people seem to really respond to the idea, even on the GW2 thread.

And that's pretty fine with me. Not that this is exactly news to anybody: there's always lively interest on this subject.

I just wanted to underline that, even NOW, 7 heroes are just being vaguely considered as something that "wouldn't hurt", without any evident commitment from Anet beyond that. I didn't really feel like this possibility is being seriously considered by listening to the interview, but it seemed to me that a lot of people got carried away nonetheless, and that could potentially lead to bitter delusion.

I myself would like it to be implemented, but then again, we should be more direct with our requests, like by:

- Having posts about this subject split in a different, dedicated topic or, either
- Renaming this topic accordingly, so that even Anet's staff knows better what's going on here.

JoeGrogan · Aug 26, 2010, 10:21 PM // 22:21

Gill you remind me of my ex girlfriend.

Me: "I'd like to go to Australia for a holiday."
Her: "Yadda yadda yadda, *two thousand reasons why you shouldn't go* and by the way you're silly for even contemplating the idea."
Me: "Yes dear, you're right of course, forgive me for even contemplating it."

*Goes gets passport and has a blast*

Nothing wrong with dreaming, and I don't think many here are saying it will happen, just how they'd like it to happen.

Gill Halendt · Aug 26, 2010, 10:56 PM // 22:56

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Originally Posted by JoeGrogan

Nothing wrong with dreaming, and I don't think many here are saying it will happen, just how they'd like it to happen.

You remind me of my ex-girlfriend.

Always dreaming with her head up in the clouds, she really got upset whenever someone was trying to make her reason out and be realist.

I believe not even half of the thread contributors have listened to the Podcast at all, most of them were, indeed, just "dreaming", riding some emotive wave of enthusiasm. If you listen to the interview carefully, it's mentioned NOWHERE they're even considering such a thing. People are dreaming on a feble hint blown out of proportion.

Nothing wrong with realism. It often saves you from frustration.

Nothing wrong with some rationalized, less simplistic analysis. Comprehension and understanding often save you form delusion. And since this is an highly frustrated and delusional community, there's nothing wrong in pointing this out.

And, anyway. I'm not saying you can't dream, who am I to say that? I'm just saying that that's actually too little to dream on, judging by the Podcast.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Aug 26, 2010, 11:22 PM // 23:22

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

You remind me of my ex-girlfriend.

Always dreaming with her head up in the clouds, she really got upset whenever someone was trying to make her reason out and be realist.

I believe not even half of the thread contributors have listened to the Podcast at all, most of them were, indeed, just "dreaming", riding some emotive wave of enthusiasm. If you listen to the interview carefully, it's mentioned NOWHERE they're even considering such a thing. People are dreaming on a feble hint blown out of proportion.

Nothing wrong with realism. It often saves you from frustration.

Nothing wrong with some rationalized, less simplistic analysis. Comprehension and understanding often save you form delusion. And since this is an highly frustrated and delusional community, there's nothing wrong in pointing this out.

And, anyway. I'm not saying you can't dream, who am I to say that? I'm just saying that that's actually too little to dream on, judging by the Podcast.

if you dont dream, you gotta have a very negative life, at least thats what i see

and yes, i was dreaming which also made me say why i'd like to use more heroes in my own team

you sir, are just giving bad facts, which arent facts unless they say they wont, and we like to see good stuff
without negative reactions like you give us, may make forums much nicer

if anet reads this, they know we all like i, except as few who may not care about it
if anet really wants to make their fans happy, they do stuff we wanna have, not everything, but like this, which became a huge subject as they said something about it, officially
so in other words, they know we like it, all we gotta do is hope for em to do

looking negative to all things which are unsure, can make life dull
just let us talk about it and maybe they'll do it, and make a huge lot of people happy, once again after a while (not counting gw2 info they gave us)

so, look at life as it can be either good or bad, but you shouldnt get lost in the woods of negativity, just trying to make my point, no further offense

Gill Halendt · Aug 26, 2010, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

you sir, are just giving bad facts, which arent facts unless they say they wont, and we like to see good stuff

No, I'm just looking at what's there (nothing, really).

Good facts aren't facts either, unless they clearly say that whey will. Back to Square 1.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

looking negative to all things which are unsure, can make life dull

You know, there's something between hysteric positivism and depressed negativism. It's called "realism". It's like "People, listen to the Podcast if you haven't already. Stumme doesn't really seem that much into 7 heroes as we tought, so we can just dream and hope"

Isn't that exactly what we've been doing BEFORE the interview? It is, because this interview hasn't moved things a single bit.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

just let us talk about it and maybe they'll do it, and make a huge lot of people happy, once again after a while (not counting gw2 info they gave us)

so, look at life as it can be either good or bad, but you shouldnt get lost in the woods of negativity, just trying to make my point, no further offense

I'm not lost in any woods of negativity. There's actually no negativity at all in my posts, unless you feel any touch of rationale like rain on your parade. Then again, it's not me being negative, it's just you stubbornly wearing rose-tinted glasses.

After listeing to the podcast, I just couldn't see how people could get that excited about such a vague and unsubstantial hint. The summary led me to believe there was much more than that. John spent more words hyping their upcoming "exciting project with heroes", and curiously enough no one cared, because everyone was already in 7 heroes-frenzy.

But, anyway... I'll leave my average positive comment to make my life oh-so-much better now...

Oooh, can't wait to see 7 heroes parties implemented! Go for it! This will surely convince you to do it asap!